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# 16 Here and There: A Failure to Communicate: US and Ukraine Part 2

Oval Office Hullaballoo as Vance trumps his Boss and thumps the Ukrainian leader.

When President Trump met President Zelenskyy (whyy the double y?) in the Oval office things got weird. Tubs were thumped., scenery chewed. Lots of bile but no minerals were exchanged. It’s almost as if the kids had forgotten why they were gathered. Oh, and J D Vance showed what a know it all he isn’t. Listen up — for our two cents.

Will Richardsson in the USA is joined by Nicholas Richardson in Warsaw for a transatlantic point of view.

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